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It seems that Suabru's Automatic is different from others. It has the tiptronic and Active Torque split AWD

4-speed automatic versions are equipped with the Sportshift gear selection that has an optimized final gear ratio and torque convertor characteristics, as well as lower friction among part assemblies, improving driving performance and fuel economy. The N Control System automatically shifts the transmission back to neutral from driving positions after the brake pedal is depressed for some time. Gearshift operation is also said to be enhanced by the redesigned shift lever positions and the use of roller bearings.

The Active Torque Split AWD system is used for the automatic versions while those with manual transmissions come with the centre differential AWD system with viscous LSD (limited slip differential). Both AWD systems distribute optimal power to the wheels and the stability is further enhanced by Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC) which is standards. Fed by information gathered by sensors that monitor vehicle and road conditions, the VDC coordinates the engine, transmission, and brakes in order to recover the vehicle’s position should unstable movements occur on a slippery road.

The manual is 50:50 split to both front and back. Wonder which is better?
 

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With the info about the automatic gearbox provided by you, it seems that Subaru has a really good automatic gearbox!

Anyway, i love the improved VDC feature. It brings our car up to the level of the Evo that has long dominated in terms of handling improved by good electronics.
 

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Yes i was thinking its just another automatic gearbox, but after deeper research..
First its made by Prodrive
Second the torque Split is constantly changing to match the needs, normal driving will be 90% front : 10% back for fuel economy when you hit the floor the torque will be around 60%front : 40% back, i read it from somewhere.
Third it has the tiptronic, which i find not much lag compare to the CVT tiptronic(Don't buy a CVT with tiptronic the "gear" changing sucks, I test drive before especially the first two gear)
Fourth, it has a multi-plate clutch.

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http://www.subaruspecialists.com/mainframe/AllWheelDrive.html

Active Power Split AWD For 4-Speed Automatic Transmissions

Subaru vehicles equipped with the 4-speed Electronic Automatic Transmission (4EAT) feature a different type of All-Wheel Drive than with the 5-speed manual transmission. Instead of a viscous coupling center differential, an automatic transmission-equipped Subaru features an electronically managed continuously variable multi-plate transfer clutch located in the transaxle's tailshaft. Power transfer is governed by slippage in the clutch plates, which use a special friction material that easily handles the loads generated during power transfer.

The Transmission Control Module (TCM) controls the All-Wheel Drive multi-plate clutch. Under normal driving conditions, the power split is biased toward the front wheels. The active All-Wheel Drive system can adjust the power split in an instant, depending on many input factors. If the front wheels begin to lose traction, the TCM increases hydraulic pressure on the clutch, reducing slippage of the plates to transfer power to the rear wheels. As the front wheels regain traction, the TCM reduces pressure on the clutch, increasing slippage of the plates and transferring power to the front. The TCM monitors inputs from speed sensors on the front and rear output shafts and from the throttle position and transmission shifter position sensors. These factors cause the TCM to select a software "map" that determines how aggressively the TCM adjusts the power split between the front and rear wheels.

Downside its 4 speed

Well it seems like the Auto is as good as the manual, spoil for choices :eek:
 

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Well, you can look all day at what the specs say, but you won't know what you like better until you drive both.

I drove an automatic 2.5i and was disappointed...the throttle response was delayed and the sportshift worked...but it wasn't natural feeling...

the manual on the otherhand, was crisp, the clutch felt great, throttle response was instant (as it should be). Guess which one I bought? ;)

The WRX automatic is probably different than the 2.5i automatic, but the point is that you need to drive both and go with what feels good, not what specs say.

If they both feel great, THEN go with the specs :)

I mean, maybe I'm just old fashioned, but there is no way you can get the same feeling of control with a automatic as you can with a manual...only exceptions in my book are supercars with paddle shifters.

The STI is a 6 speed manual afterall, not a 5 speed automatic :)
 

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Well, you can look all day at what the specs say, but you won't know what you like better until you drive both.

I drove an automatic 2.5i and was disappointed...the throttle response was delayed and the sportshift worked...but it wasn't natural feeling...

the manual on the otherhand, was crisp, the clutch felt great, throttle response was instant (as it should be). Guess which one I bought? ;)

The WRX automatic is probably different than the 2.5i automatic, but the point is that you need to drive both and go with what feels good, not what specs say.

If they both feel great, THEN go with the specs :)

I mean, maybe I'm just old fashioned, but there is no way you can get the same feeling of control with a automatic as you can with a manual...only exceptions in my book are supercars with paddle shifters.

The STI is a 6 speed manual afterall, not a 5 speed automatic :)
You got some points there, will take note. Maybe i should test drive it a few more times before i can conclude. :D

Sometimes a guy driving a automatic will become a laughing stock. Auto Tranny is for the ladies most think.

Guess what i found out from those who use the gear box almost 8 hrs a day. been in Singapore for 3 weeks. Been in a cab for a dozen times.. some have the manual some have the auto. I took every chances to ask those driving the auto, do they prefer the auto or the manual? They say of cause the Auto i can say 12/12 says they prefer the auto.Quote" Before there is Auto for the taxi, i have been depressing the clutch for like 1000 times a day. now driving is more relax". Thats the words coming out from a EVERYDAY driver! :)
 

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Dude if you get the STi in an Automatic i **it you not i will never let you live that purchase down ever. ITS A RALLY CAR how many rally cars out there you know come in an Automatic, i have yet to see one. Prove me worng and ill let it go. Until then you are here by[glow=red,2,300]LABELED[/glow]
 

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Dude if you get the STi in an Automatic i **it you not i will never let you live that purchase down ever. ITS A RALLY CAR how many rally cars out there you know come in an Automatic, i have yet to see one. Prove me worng and ill let it go. Until then you are here by[glow=red,2,300]LABELED[/glow]
I will get the manual just curious about the "special" auto transmission by subaru it seems to be "good" on paper. Since the car is only 150bhp. Low HP manual gear will be better to get the most out of the engine thats what my bro told me.
 

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Subaru is using a 4speed auto which is quite behing whats in the market right now, they should have at least put a 5speed or a CVT...
 

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Subaru really need a 6 speed for its WRX at least. As WRX is the potential with higher power a 6 speed box is very much needed 8)
 

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I think that Suby should at least make the 6 speed as an option. That would be awesome, a lot cheaper to get it as an option then to get one off a wrecked STI or new and then installed.
 

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I think that Suby should at least make the 6 speed as an option. That would be awesome, a lot cheaper to get it as an option then to get one off a wrecked STI or new and then installed.
+1 for the 6 speed!!
 

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For a cabbie (or anyone else for whom stop-and-go city driving is most of what they do), an automatic makes sense. For that kind of driver, the base model Impreza (or something even more pedestrian/cheaper to insure/less crying when it gets scratched, dinged, or sideswiped) also makes sense--what's the point of having a fun-to-drive, sporty car if you never get to do any fun driving?

For the WRX or STi, or for anyone who gets outside the city to some fun roads, the manual makes more sense.

JMHO.
 

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I love the manual, definitely get the most out of driving not so fun in bumper to bumper driving. My gf has an 08 Altima Coupe 3.5 with the CVT with sport shift. Not much for the sport shift never the same as changing gears, but it does keep the engine in the torque band always during acceleration which is wild I am always waiting for the shift never comes. For that car it is great. Not sure what that would be like for our cars.

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Manual is best. My wife has the 2.5 Altima Coupe with CVT. I have to say that that transmission is crazy. I really like how there is no shifts. It is really something else. You just stomp on it and it stays right at the power point, just amazing. But, for me, I am a purest, manual only, part of the main reason that I don't like the EvoX. The computer basically drives the car, at least Road & Track think so and they like it. ???
 

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I have a 4AT 08 WRX, and I got a lotta crap from my frds about not getting the manual. What I find though is that the tiptronic is more than enough when I'm looking for extra revs; and the full automatic mode is just NECESSARY for stop n go traffic (which is what I'm stuck in most of the time). I've yet to regret having the the tiptronic auto, my only gripe is that I prefer to pull down for upshift, and push up for downshift; opposite to what it has now :(
 

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I have a 4AT 08 WRX, and I got a lotta crap from my frds about not getting the manual. What I find though is that the tiptronic is more than enough when I'm looking for extra revs; and the full automatic mode is just NECESSARY for stop n go traffic (which is what I'm stuck in most of the time). I've yet to regret having the the tiptronic auto, my only gripe is that I prefer to pull down for upshift, and push up for downshift; opposite to what it has now :(
I test drove a BMW like that and it was my 1st time in any of those types of sport shift autos. It was confusing the hell outta me b/c the test drive was on a closed auto-X type course. And it didnt let me downshift to 1st gear. :D
I drove an auto 92-X aero (2.0L). I wasnt too happy. Granted it was the 2.0L motor which naturally has more lag than the 2.5L motor, but coupled with an auto, it made driving quite difficult b/c stomping on the gas, you get nothing for a good amount of time; you have to wait for the transmission to change down, then the turbo to pick up! YAY!
 

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When my car was being repaired for one of it's infamous "lets get hit by a hick" sessions, I was lucky enough to get another 08 as a loaner. However it was an 4AT tranny, at first I was little iffy about it but after a couple of days of driving I can't really complain. It's a world of a different feeling from heel to toe clutch pumping, but I didn't really see a dip in performance from when my car was stock.

Anyway whichever one you end up getting you'll smile every time you look at your driveway :)
 

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IMO the AT in the impreza/wrx line is a heap, regardless of who makes it. Only 4 gears, and the gear ratios are really wacky (in a bad way). I also found it consistently more difficult to get any sort of decent mileage with the AT in the WRX, even with the 2.5i and forester 2.5x I got consistently worse mileage than I do in my 08/09. I find it much easier to get decent mileage numbers in the outback/legacy, despite the considerably heavier weight. If you care about driving even a little, get a manual. The only reason to get it in an AT is because you can't work the clutch for some reason, or you are lazy.
 

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This is my first stick, but I'm much happier than with any of my automatics prior (GM 3-speed and Chrysler 4-speed slushies) with it. I like the 50-50 AWD split, and in addition, I like having MECHANICAL AWD as opposed to electric AWD. It's a lot harder to confuse mechanical differentials than it is a computer.

Furthermore, I used to love driving my dad's A4 2.0T when I had my old Buick with it's 3-speed automatic. I mean, the Audi has 3 more gears, and the manumatic feature, so I could choose my own gears. About 2 months ago, I had to run to the auto parts store with my car up on a scissor jack, so I took the Audi. Slotted the gear lever in Manual mode and I was BORED.

I was stomping a clutch that wasn't there, I was flipping the shifter and having to wait long seconds for my next gear. The Audi may have 30 more horsepower than my car, and an additional cog in the transmission, but my Subaru is far more fun to drive.
 

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Yeah honestly the thing that took the Mitsu RA out of my sights was the fact that there was no manual option...

I can't go back to automatic...
 
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